Mike Ferris, Red Hat | AWS re:Invent 2018

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>>Live, from Las Vegas,
it’s the Cube, covering AWS re:Invent 2018, brought to you by Amazon Web Services, Intel,
and their ecosystem partners.>>Hey welcome back everyone,
live here in Las Vegas for AWS re:Invent 2018, all the action is happening for Amazon Web Services. I’m John Furrier, Dave Vellante,
Dave six years covering Amazon, great opportunity, a lot of news, Red Hat is a big part of
it, Mike Ferris is here. Vice President, Technical
Business Development for Red Hat, welcome back, good to see you.>>Likewise.>>A lot’s going with you guys
since our Red Hat Summit days in San Francisco just a few months ago.>>Yeah.>>Big news hit.>>Yeah.>>The bomb around the world,
the rock that hit the ground really hard, shook everyone up,
surprised everyone including me, I’m like “Wow, IBM and Red Hat”. What an interesting
relationship, obviously the history with IBM has been good. Talk about the announcement
with IBM because this is huge. Of course, big numbers, but
also impact wise pretty big.>>Yeah, it’s exciting times right? And if you kind of look at,
you know, from the perspective of Red Hat in this, this will
allow us to really scale and accelerate what we’ve already
been doing for the past, you know, since really the 1994
era when Red Hat was founded and, you know, it kind of
validates a lot of what we’ve put into open source and
enterprise customers since then. You know, we really see a couple
of key outtakes from this, one of which is, certainly it’s
going to give us the resources to be able to really grow with
the scale that we need to. It’s also going to allow us to
invest more in open source in emerging areas, bring the
value of scale and certainly choice and flexibility to
more customers, and then ultimately kind of the global
advantage of hybrid and multi cloud, we’ll be able to reach
more partners and customers everywhere, and it puts us
several years ahead of where we have been and where we
would have been frankly, and ultimately our intent is that
with IBM we’ll become the leading hybrid and multi
cloud provider overall.>>Yeah, Jimmy and Jim Whitehurst
kind of ruined our Sunday, we were sitting down to watch football and he’s like got the announcement. And then Jimmy kept saying
“It’s not backend loaded, it’s not backend loaded” and then
you start to realize, wow, IBM has an enormous business
of managing applications that need to be modernized and
OpenShift is obviously a great place to do that so, it’s got
to be super exciting for you guys to have that giant new
opportunity to go after as well as global scale that
you didn’t have before.>>And, you know, this
extends the stuff that we did, announced in May at Red Hat
Summit with IBM where we really focused on how do we take
WebSphere DB2MQ, running on IBM cloud private, running on OpenShift, and make that the hybrid choice. And so it’s a natural extension
of what we’ve already been doing and it gives us a lot more resources than we would have otherwise.>>This is good, coming into
the next segment I want to chat about is RHEL, and what people
might not understand from the announcment is the
synergy you guys have with IBM because, being a student of
Red Hat, being just in the industry when you guys were
rebels, open source, second tier citizen, and the enterprise, the adoption then became tier one service. I mean you guys have, level
of service, 17 years or something, huge numbers, but
remember where it all started. And then you became a tier
one supplier to almost all the enterprises, so you’re actually a product company as well as a
huge open source player. That’s powerful and unique.>>Absolutely, even if you
look at kind of what Amazon is doing this week and have been
doing over the years, they’re a huge value ad provider of
open source technology as well, and one of the statements
that we’ve always made is, the public cloud would not exist
if not for Linux and open source, and so everything
has been based upon that. There’s one provider that
doesn’t use Linux as the base of their platform but certainly
as we’ve taken the in roads into the enterprise, you know,
I was there when it started with just turning Red Hat
Enterprise Linux on and then bringing it from the edge of
network into the data center and talking about major providers like Oracle, HP, Del, IBM as part of that. Now, we’re looking at “Is it
a de facto standard?”, and everyone including Amazon and
all of it’s competitors are really invested heavily
in the open source world.>>And so, let’s talk about the
impact to the products, okay so one of the things that
has come up, at least on my Twitter feed and the conversations
is, okay, it’s going to take some time to close the
deal, you’re still Red Hat, you’re still doing your things,
what’s the impact to the customers and to the
ecosystem in your mind? How are you guys talking
about that right now? Obviously, it’s more of the
same, keep the Red Hat same, unique, independent, what new
thing is going to come out of it?>>So, to be clear, the deal
has not closed, right, so there’s not a lot we’re
going to say otherwise.>>A year away, you got
a lot of work to do.>>Our focus is what it always has been. Let’s build the best enterprise
products using the open source development model and
make those available across all public and hybrid cloud environments.>>At a certain level, that’s
enterprise, multi-year, old Red Hat, same Red Hat model, alright.>>But let me follow up on
that, because you’re a believer in multi cloud, we’re a believer
in, whatever you call it, multiple clouds, customers are
going to use multiple clouds. We believe that, you believe that, it seems like Amazon has a slightly different perspective on that,>>Cause they’re one cloud.>>in that this greater
value, right cause they’re one cloud, there’s greater value,
but it seems like the reality when you talk to customers is,
we’re not just one company, we’ve got different divisions,
and eventually we’ve got to bring those together in some
kind of extraction layer. That’s what you guys want to be, right? So, your perspectives on multi cloud?>>Absolutely, so, each individual
department, each project, each developer, in all of these
major enterprises, you know, has a different vantage,
and yes, there are corporate standards, golden masters
of RHEL that get produced, everybody’s supposed to be
using, but you know, the practicalities of how you
develop software, especially in the age of dev ops and
containers and moving forward is actually, you have to have
the choice necessary to meet your specific needs, and
while we will absolutely do everything we can to make sure
that things are consistent, I mean, we started this with
RHEL consistency, on and off premise, when we did the
original Amazon relationship. The point is, you need to
be able to give people the flexibility and choice that
they desire, regardless of what area of the company that
they’re in, and that’s going to be the focus, regardless of
whether it’s Microsoft, Amazon, Google, IBM clouds, international
clouds with Alibaba, it’s all the same to us and we
have to make sure it’s there.>>What’s always great about
the cloud shows, especially this one, it’s one of my favorites, because it really is dev ops deep
in the mindset culture. As you see AI and machine
learning start to get powered by all these great resources,
computer, et cetera, the developer is going crazy,
there’s going to be another renaissance in software
development, and then you got things like Kubernetes and
containers now mainstream. Kubernetes almost, I
say, de facto standard.>>Yeah.>>Absolutely happened, you guys had a big part of making that happen. People are now agreeing on
things, so the formation’s coming together pretty quickly,
you’re seeing the growth, we’re hearing terms like
“co-creation”, “co-opetition”, those are signals for a large
rising tide, your thoughts?>>So, it’s interesting, we
were an early investor in Kubernetes, we actually
launched OpenShift prior to Kubernetes, and then we
adopted it and made a shift of our platform before it was too late. We did the same thing with
hypervisors when we moved from Zen to KBM, but this
overall approach is, once we see the energy happening
both in the community and the early customers, then you see
the partners start to come on board, it becomes the de
facto standard, it’s really crucial for us as an open
source company to make sure we follow those trends, and then
we help mature them across the business ecosystem,
and that’s something we’ve loved being able to engage with. I mean, Google certainly
instigated the Kubernetes movement, but then it starts
to propagate, just like on the open stack side, it
came out of Rackspace and Nasa and then moved on to different
areas and so, you know, our focus is, how do we continue that choice and that evolution overall?>>How would you talk about
the impact of Kubernetes if someone says “Hey Mike, what’s
the real impact, what is it going to accomplish at
the end of the day?” What’s your view of that?>>It will have the same
impact that the Linux current standardization has had,
you know, but in this case for micro services and
application packaging and being able to do dev ops much more efficiently across heterogeneous platforms.>>Does it make it easier or
less painful or does it go away? Is it automated under the covers? I mean, this is a big,
awesome opportunity.>>So the orchestration
capabilities of Kubernetes combined with all the other tools
that surround key container platforms like OpenShift,
really give that developer the full life cycle environment
to be able to take something from concept through deployment,
and onto the maintenance phases, and you know, what we
end up doing is we look at, okay the technologies are
there, what value ads to we have around that to make sure that
a customer and a developer cn actually maintain this thing long term and keep their enterprise applications up?>>So, security for example.>>Security is a great example, right? How do we make sure that every
container that gets deployed on Kubernetes platforms or
by Kubernetes platforms, that every container that’s deployed
which, keep in mind, is an operating system, it has
an operating system in the container itself, how
is that kept up to date? How do you make sure that when
the next security errata is released, from us or a different
vendor possibly, how do you make sure that that
container is secure? And, you know, we’ve done a
lot in our registry as well as our catalog to make sure
that all of our partners and customers can see their
containers, know what grade they have in a security context,
and be able to grow that. That’s one of the core things
that we see adding into this Kubernetes value
and authorization level.>>It’s not a trivial
technical problem either.>>No.>>Sometimes micro
services aren’t so micro.>>It’s been part of what
we’ve for RHEL from the start, it’s been how do we bring
that enterprise value into technology that is maturing out
of the open source community and make that available to customers?>>Yeah, one of the key
things you guys, first of all, OpenShift has been phenomenal,
you guys did a great job with that, been watching
that grow, but I think a real seminal moment was the CoreOS acquisition.>>Sure.>>That was a real turbo
boost for you guys, great acquisition, fits in with
the culture, and then Kubernetes just lifted from
that, that was the point but, at the timing of all this,
Kubernetes gets mainstream lift, people recognize that the
standardization it is a good thing, and then, boom,
developers are getting engaged.>>Yeah, and if you see what
the CoreOS environment has brought us from over their
updates for our platforms, to being able to talk about a
registry in the environment. Being able to say that, is kind
of additive to this overall messaging, it really rounds
out the offering for us, and allows us to participate even more deeply in the communities as well.>>Well, we’re looking forward
to keeping you covered, we love Kubernetes, we’ve got
a special report called “Kubernetes Special Report”
on siliconangle.com, it’s called “The Rise Of Kubernetes”,
it’s a dedicated set of content, we’re publishing
a lot on Kubernetes. Final question I want to get
to you because I think it’s super important, what’s the
relationship you have with AWS? And take some time to explain
the partnership, how many years, what you guys are
doing together, I know you’re actively involved, so take a minute.>>It is somewhat blurry,
it’s been a long time, so 2007 era is when we started in
depth with them, and I can remember the early days,
actually in the development of S3, prior to EC2, being able
to say alright, what is this thing and how does Red
Hat participate in this? And I think, yesterday Terry
Wiese even mentioned that we were one of the first partners
to actually engage in the consumption model and, you know,
claiming partial credit for out 34 billion dollar valuation
that we just got announced. But, you know, overall the
relationship really spawned out of that, how do we help build
a cloud and how do we help offer our products to our
customers in a more flexible way? And so that snowballed over
the years from just early adopters being able to play
with it to now where you see it’s many many millions of
dollars that are being generated in customers and they think,
in the hundreds of millions of hours of our products being
consumed, at least within a month if not shorter timeframes,
every time period we have.>>You know that’s an unsung
benefit that people might not know about with Red Hat is
that, you guys are in early markets because, one, everyone
uses Linux pretty much these days for anything core, meaningful. And you listen to community,
and so you guys are always involved in big moving things, cloud, Amazon, 2007, it was
command line back then.>>Yeah.>>It wasn’t even, I think RightScale just came online that year, so you remember. You guys are always in all
these markets so it’s a good indicator, you guys are a bellwether, I think it’s a good beacon to look at.>>And we do this, certainly
on the container space, and the middleware space, and the
storage space, you know, we replicate this model and,
including in management, about how do we actually invest
in the right places where we see the industry and communities going so we can actually help those?>>And you’re very partner
friendly, you bring a lot to the table, I love the open source ethos, I think that’s the future. The future of that ethos of
contributing to get value downstream is going to be a
business practice, not just software, so you guys are a
big part of the industry on that and I want to give
you guys props for that. Okay, more Cube coverage here
in Las Vegas, AWS Reinvent, after this short break,
more live coverage, I’m John Furrier, Dave Vellante,
we’ll be right back. (electronic music)

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